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Title: MG M type
Post by: NewbieNick on 18 Feb 23, 04:37 pm
Hi guys, hopefully starting build later this year. Meantime making bits & pieces with space available to me.
Steering wheel made from 6mm Plywood dragged out of skip. Dashboard made from steering wheel off cuts, hope it fits.
 Thanks for positive comments on previous post. Please see photos.

Regards NewbieNick
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 18 Feb 23, 05:52 pm
Looks Like good progress Nick. String and varnish next for the wheel? 🙂
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Post by: Chris L on 18 Feb 23, 09:54 pm
Good work Nick. Like the old dash clocks too  ;D
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Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Feb 23, 10:23 am
Good suggestion about the string, not sure to do that or leave as black.
Title: Steering Wheel
Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Feb 23, 03:18 pm
Finished it i think, would you wrap with string & varnish as suggested or leave well alone. Your views please
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Post by: Chris L on 19 Feb 23, 04:32 pm
Looks Great  ;D, but think String and varnish would really add the finishing touch. ......Oops , sorry to add to your work list
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 19 Feb 23, 04:35 pm
Deffo string and varnish for the look of it. When it grubbies up it will look properly vintage 🙂
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 19 Feb 23, 05:00 pm
https://youtu.be/Crv5f8Ows54
Title: Steering Wheel
Post by: NewbieNick on 25 Feb 23, 06:01 pm
Hi Guys Steering Wheel finished (again)
If the rest of this Kart takes a similar amount of time, i will down gear it & use it as a mobility scooter.
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 25 Feb 23, 07:35 pm
Well worth the effort, been doing mine in 2mm cord today, very sore hands 😁
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Post by: Chris L on 26 Feb 23, 08:13 am
Nice Job Nick . Well done.
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Post by: synthpunk on 26 Feb 23, 10:02 am
After I did the string on mine I coated it with 6 brushed coats of freshly mixed shellac, to stop moisture absorption and stick everything together. Even more grip, and a lovely amber ‘inside of a beagles lung’ colouring to it now as well.
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 26 Feb 23, 10:12 am
Are the spokes going to be strong enough with only being made of 6mm ply ? I'm a joiner by trade and I don't think I would rely on the ply alone, maybe back it with strips of aluminium?  A steering wheel takes a fair bit of stress forward and back when you are bouncing around in a kart.
Steering wheel looks killer by the way.
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 26 Feb 23, 02:17 pm
Hi Nick, if it was mine I would like to see some metal in it. Most steering wheels have a aluminium or steel hub and spokes with a wooden rim, although it still has metal between the wood. The steering wheel is a fairly important part and I don't think I could trust just wood and glue. Most plywood these days hasn't the greatest quality unless your using 11 ply birch which is marine grade. This is just my opinion so don't be put off by it.
Noel.
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 27 Feb 23, 05:08 pm
That should help with the strength,  nice job.
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 12 Mar 23, 09:27 pm
The MG M type and the 1928 Morris Minor used the same chassis. I have drawings of the chassis with dimensions if they are of any use to you.
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 13 Mar 23, 06:47 am
Some great inventive work there Nick, it's looking fine to me 😁
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Post by: Chris L on 13 Mar 23, 12:28 pm
Some quality detail parts made there Nick ....Spot on !
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Post by: NewbieNick on 18 Mar 23, 04:44 pm
More Pictures of bits& bobs. Strengthened Steering Wheel. Exhaust components Manifold. Silencer.Fish tail. MG Badge & Light supports.
Compressor  cover. & 1 picture of everything.
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: NewbieNick on 24 Mar 23, 03:40 pm
Hi Guys couple of pictures of Headlight support poles, With wooden turned finials. Made on specialist wood turning machinery, see picture.
Also Chassis Mock up. This is my 1st Build & i am not an Engineer or in any related Trades so keeping it simple.
Also may be of interest ordered Chassis steel from Metalmania .co.uk on Wednesday this week, arrived today.
Any Builder what thickness Engine mounting plate?

PS Got my garage back
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 24 Mar 23, 05:41 pm
4 or 5mm is good enough for an engine plate, think mine is 5mm, although I haven't raced my kart yet.
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Post by: Chris L on 24 Mar 23, 06:58 pm
Good work Nick . Yes 5mm for an engine plate is plenty thick enough  :)
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Post by: Ian L on 27 Mar 23, 12:56 pm
Looks good Nick - Im a strong advocate of making a mockup, you can then use the wood forms as a template if needed. You might want to screw some blocks to your base so you have some datum’s that you can come back to. Have you also made some full size drawings? As I mentioned in my build log can save you issues later in the build in getting things to line up! As you say Metal Mania are great, just need to get over the minimum order value - keep up the good work. Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 28 Mar 23, 06:32 am
Hi Ian thanks for your input, i have already used mock up to make a jig wooden blocks etc . (pictures later) Learning to weld at the mo, never done this before.
No i haven't done full size drawings but have made a 1/12 Scale model of Kart.
Thanks again Nick
 
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Post by: Ian L on 28 Mar 23, 09:05 am
Hi Nick, sounds like you have a plan. Welding takes a little practice lots of good videos on line. I have found in addition to all the usual, cleanliness, weld the piece flat that a bright work light directed on the area made things easier I also use a pair of these

Welding Helmet Glass Magnifier, Diopter Cheater Lens 3.0, Welding Glass Magnifier Lens Eye-Protecting/Welder Accessories, Anti-Ultraviolet, Automatic Darkening Filter 3.0 Diopter, 5 x 4cm/ 2 x 1.6in https://amzn.eu/d/2Up7s1G

Which give 3x or so magnification- as I say works for me.
I will look out for some pics.
Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 28 Mar 23, 05:43 pm
Hi Guys, gone & done it now. Purchased  new welder sod about all day Saturday welding all sorts of crap onto all sorts of other crap. Then moved onto chassis. The welds are not pretty but i tested them with a very large Percussion Adjuster not one broke.
Rear shackles are work in progress.
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: NewbieNick on 30 Mar 23, 03:45 pm
Hi Guys rear shackle mounts sorted onto the next challenge,what fun
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Post by: NewbieNick on 31 Mar 23, 05:57 am
Hi Guys does anyone have any experience with Hyundai engines sold by Gemini karts?
Is it okay to use this engine? 212cc 7HP, also recommended sprocket size for rear axle.
an help or comments would be appreciated

Cheers Nick 
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: Jimr1999 on 31 Mar 23, 06:15 am
I have no experience with the Hyundai Nick, I went for the 3/4" shaft version of this which is also 212cc and 7hp stock https://www.westbankwholesale.co.uk/57228-LT210-7HP-ENGINE-REPLACES-HONDA-GX160-AND-GX200
The innards of it are all metal and the valves are held on by the superior collet system. https://www.gxtuningstoreuk.com/inc/sdetail/126/159 as stock.
The rule is you don't tune them over 10HP
Hope this helps Nick
Jim
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Post by: Glynn on 31 Mar 23, 12:34 pm
Loving the specialist wood turning equipment.  Very much in the spirit of Cyclekarting !
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 01 Apr 23, 07:25 am
Hi Guys does anyone have any experience with Hyundai engines sold by Gemini karts?
Is it okay to use this engine? 212cc 7HP, also recommended sprocket size for rear axle.
an help or comments would be appreciated

Cheers Nick
... As for the ratios, well it all depends. I did quite a bit of reading about this and still am not sure if I got it right. I will assume firstly that you are running a TAV30 style torque convertor. I will also assume that your rear wheels are 17" pit bike or Honda style wheels as they should be.
If you search this forum, Rhys put up a post where he looked at the ratios the faster guys were running in the states whilst he was over there. IIRC the consensus was that TAV to rear sprocket was a 7:1 ratio (e.g. 10 teeth at the TAV30, 70 teeth on the axle, 420 chain) Some run 60 teeth, some use a jack shaft and take the ratio even higher.
If your gearing is too tall and you run a heavy cyclekart/driver, you may find yourself "bogging down" when exiting corners where the revs are not high enough to supply a reasonable amount of torque to the rear wheels to accelerate you as you might wish. If your ratio is too far the other way you may run out of revs before you reach an ideal top speed - the chances of the latter happening are perhaps smaller than the former on most of the courses we run.
Adding to the complications of gearing is how the variable drive TAV30 performs. You can change springs, weights and spring positions in them to have engagement not until higher revs and/or drive not maxing out as soon. I would start with stock TAV30 and work that out when you know how your machine performs. Last time I looked, Gemini were out of stock of 70T 420 platewheels.
I hope this helps, but I fear that it is just adding to the confusion. I am sure people with more experience than me will chime in, I might learn something so thanks for bringing this subject up.
Jim
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: StefanN on 01 Apr 23, 09:17 am
I agree with Jim.   A 7:1 ratio through a TAV2 (which multiplies by 0.9-2.7) will be a good starting point and going to a lower ratio from there is easy.  Some are experimenting with higher ratios but that almost always requires a layshaft and hence more complexity.  With smaller chain you might squeeze in a higher tooth count sprocket and hence higher ratio, but sourcing the parts can be tricky.

7:1 should give you a nice drivable cyclekart, which will make you grin, which is what it’s about after all!
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Apr 23, 10:25 am
Thanks for replies guys very helpful .Another question i am going to be using Honda C90 wheels to a Gemini Karts rear axle, i am  assuming i need Gemini Mono Hubs & Cyclekart Adapter plates do i also need the 90 mm square spacer? Please let me know if this is correct

Cheers Nick. 
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: Ian L on 01 Apr 23, 02:24 pm
Nick, I think the spacer is for pit build wheels which have a lip, it can be ground off or the spacer added. I would email Gemini they are quick to reply. Cheers. Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Apr 23, 05:55 pm
Thanks Ian,change of plan just ordered 4 17 inch Pitbike wheels.
I understand the bearings in these can be changed to 17X35 can anyone confirm.
Is anyone using the cloned Torque converter being sold by Gemini any comments.
Cheers Nick
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: Jimr1999 on 01 Apr 23, 06:27 pm
Yes to the bearings, you will also need new anti crush tubes between the bearings Nick. I don't know anyone using the Gemini clone TAV, but Hutt imports do one for about £85 delivered https://huttimports.co.uk/product/torque-converter-to-fit-gx160/


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123871469862?var=424603379536
The tube with care can be cut to length with a plumbers pipe cutter
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113999848637?var=414284778560
Jim
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Post by: Ian L on 01 Apr 23, 06:44 pm
Just as Jim says for the front and 25 by 35 oilite bushes for the rear, unless you are boring out to 37mm. Bearing boys are a good supplier.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Apr 23, 07:02 pm
Thanks Jim i had not thought of anti crush tubes. Ian i have all ready sourced oilite Bushes. Henderson Bearings Ringwood 10 Minutes from home
Thanks again
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Apr 23, 07:30 am
Lights & supports fitted,real & fake light support bracket, 
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 02 Apr 23, 07:35 am
Looking sweet Nick
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Post by: Graham Hill on 02 Apr 23, 12:43 pm
Thanks Ian,change of plan just ordered 4 17 inch Pitbike wheels.
I understand the bearings in these can be changed to 17X35 can anyone confirm.
Is anyone using the cloned Torque converter being sold by Gemini any comments.
Cheers Nick

Hi Nick. I have a genuine Comet, but I would have no reservation in fitting the clone supplied by Gemini. From discussion I know that they spent some time in sourcing one that they were happy to sell themselves. Being the sole distributors of the genuine Comet they do understand the weaknesses of copies. I have handled the clone for inspection and it appears well machined.   Graham
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Apr 23, 04:26 pm
Than kyou
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Post by: NewbieNick on 07 Apr 23, 11:15 am
Hi Guys good day today. big box of stuff from Gemini arrived for the weekend.
Also 4 Pit bike wheels £ 108.00 from Red circles. Question, i have changed the wheel bearings & offered wheel to front axle without oil seals in place, do you fit oil seals back in & have them rubbing against stub axle shoulder & retaining nut or leave them out & fit a spacer/shim?

Cheers Nick
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Post by: StefanN on 07 Apr 23, 12:49 pm
I use sealed bearings, no rubber oil seal and no spacer between the bearing and the stub axle shoulder.   I mount the wheels with the 4 bolt holes facing inboard.

I’m sure you’ll have done this, but I do make new compression spacers to go between the bearings.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 07 Apr 23, 02:53 pm
Thanks Stefan I have mounted wheel exactly as you have said, with the stub axle nut tightened to end of thread I have quite a lot of end float. Yes a have made new anti crush tubes, Jim got there before you.
Thanks again any advice would be great.
Regards Nick
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Post by: StefanN on 07 Apr 23, 08:58 pm
What length stub axles did you get from Gemini?  Also, what width bearings have you fitted?  You should be fine putting a spacer washer between the stub axle shoulder and the inner bearing, just make sure it's only on pressing on the inner race.  Post a photo if you can.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 08 Apr 23, 05:22 am
Hi Stefan now you have asked i realise i should have bought the shorter stub axles. The bearings are 10 mm. Picture attached of stub axle wheel assembly, you can see the amount of end float i would have. Stefan i wondered if i could put another bearing inboard next to existing, this would fit in the bore where the oil seal used to be & be held captive.What do you think?
Cheers Nick
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 08 Apr 23, 07:26 am
I had the opposite problem with my wheels, one came with sprung bearing seals and a shorter crush tube and distance between bearing seats, the other came with sealed bearings and the bearing seats, crush tubes further apart/longer.
I made spacers to fit inside the bearing seats of the one with the separate oil seals and replaced all bearings with sealed ones. This gave the distance apart the bearings are the same dimension. Also it should be the stronger of the two options. I have the longer stub axles on mine, mount the brake mounts innermost, had to do a spot of grinding for fit to the stub carrier and the stubs are spacer free and about 8mm into the outer 10mm bearing.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 08 Apr 23, 03:58 pm
Thought i would have a go at a homemade steering rack.This is where i'm at. Thanks o Jim/Stefan wheel problems
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 15 Apr 23, 06:25 am
Check out Stefan's guide to brakes in the tech forum Nick... https://cyclekartsgb.createaforum.com/tech-forum/guide-to-brakes/
Jim
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Post by: StefanN on 15 Apr 23, 11:02 am
The Guide to Brakes will give you a good starting point Nick.  I've not worked through the calculations for a mechanical brake in the guide, but the same principles apply.   You're balancing force multiplication (the pedal ratio and the hydraulic ratio of the master cylinder to the caliper in hydraulic systems, or the leverage in mechanical brakes) with the distance your foot has to move.

Importantly, make sure it's hefty enough and gets some cooling - whilst we're not in the territory of glowing red ceramic discs, they can get a fair amount of heat input and people  have had brake fade and other heat related failures.  Mountain bike brake calipers are NOT suitable.  Its most important that the brakes act consistently - you can adjust your driving to their stopping power.

Others have used (possibly still use) mechanical brakes successfully, so hopefully they share their experiences.

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Post by: NewbieNick on 20 Apr 23, 05:01 pm
Faking it, pit bike wheels resprayed, fake drum brakes, fake hub caps. Not as good as Moogies 3 d printer but not bad from 18 mm ply.
Hope you all like them

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 20 Apr 23, 05:19 pm
Looking well, very nice. 👍
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Post by: Ian Fletcher on 20 Apr 23, 05:49 pm
They look great 🤗
Regarding brakes, I have mechanical ones and once properly set up they worked very well at Whilton last year. I bought a secondhand kart as a source for most of my parts. This had a mechanical brake so that's why I used one. If buying new I would probably have gone for hydraulic. Most kart mechanical brakes have a second brake cable in case the primary one snaps!
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Post by: NewbieNick on 21 Apr 23, 07:21 pm
Thanks for brake info Ian F. I will probably go for hydraulic
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Post by: RhysN on 22 Apr 23, 07:51 am
I suggest these,https://www.okeparts.com/collections/diy-home-build/products/oke-mechanical-go-kart-brake-caliper-pads-for-karts-other-vehicles?_pos=1&_sid=24e1fa6a1&_ss=r plenty of pad area, both sides moving, and robust. There are no issues over bleeding. In conjunction with the following disc which has huge heat dissipating ability, equally you could use one of the thinner ones from the same supplier.
https://www.okeparts.com/collections/diy-home-build/products/oke-mechanical-go-kart-brake-caliper-pads-for-karts-other-vehicles?_pos=1&_sid=24e1fa6a1&_ss=r
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Post by: NewbieNick on 23 Apr 23, 07:48 am
Thanks Rhys. Chain & sprocket steering rack abandoned in favour of something that weighs less than me.
Can anyone tell me the diameter of a 70 tooth sprocket?  Photos of new steering. 
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Post by: jim on 23 Apr 23, 08:18 am
Hi Nick, The diameter of a 70 tooth sprocket will depend on the pitch your using.
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 23 Apr 23, 08:41 am
If you are on 420 chain, 289mm Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 23 Apr 23, 09:12 am
Nick. Looks like you are making great progress. For the sprocket (pitch x teeth) / 3.142 will give you the sprocket dia. I would be interested in a link to the sprocket and chain you have found - I’m struggling to find a matching set in either 420 or 219 type chains. Also re front axle spacers are fine the pit bike axle from Gemini has a shoulder for the narrower hub - that’s what I have! Keep up the good work.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 23 Apr 23, 09:54 am
Thanks guys. Ian ,I am going to buy generic torque converter from Gemini 420 also 68 or 70 tooth sprocket also from Gemini , out of stock at the mo. Hoping to fit rear axle this weekend & wanted to make sure I had clearance for sprocket & chain.
Cheers Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 23 Apr 23, 10:15 am
Nick, yep you have the same problem out of stock drive plates and I cant find anyone else who does these - @everyone! Any suggestions? I also looking at a 219 type solution but the drive gear for that is out of stock at Gemini as well, Im thinking of machining up a rotax drive to fit the 5/8 short and key, has any one done this? Sound like we are at a very similar stage judging by the issues!! - Happy building!
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 23 Apr 23, 11:12 am
There is a topic in the Tech Forum,  Re. Sprocket Sizes. that should give you the information you need.
#420 chain has the same pitch as #40. The pitch of #219 chain is very close to #35.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 03 May 23, 03:42 pm
Sprocket solution, for me at least. I have purchased a 9 tooth TAV output sprocket 40/41 to connect to a 60 tooth plate wheel/sprocket.
This gives me nearly 7-1 as advised & also a smaller drive sprocket meaning more ground clearence/engine space.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 05 May 23, 04:59 pm
Bit more work done, pedals inspired by Moogie or ripped off from Moogie.
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 05 May 23, 05:40 pm
They look ok to me ! 👍
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Post by: NewbieNick on 08 May 23, 04:19 pm
Progress, lots of. I was concerned about distorting the chassis rails tightening up bearing holders, so inserted 18 mm ply cut to a tight fit & drifted in. Don't know if this has any merit but did it anyway. Rear axle all done, front axle & steering stripped down, painted & reassembled. Really happy that its come this far.

Cheers Nick               
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Post by: Ian L on 08 May 23, 07:20 pm
Hi Nick,
Looks like some good progress.
I would say any additional support is worth while - where I can I have welded in crush tubes in my design.
I see you have the drive sprocket on the right - drive sprockets are normally on the left due to the direction of drive from the engine, brake disc on the right.
Ian
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Post by: RhysN on 08 May 23, 07:39 pm
There is a topic in the Tech Forum,  Re. Sprocket Sizes. that should give you the information you need.
#420 chain has the same pitch as #40. The pitch of #219 chain is very close to #35.
All imperial chains (even most on Japanese motorcycles) the first digit   (distance from pin to pin) is in eighths of an inch, so 219 is 2/8 (/4"), 35 is 3/8 and all the 4 series are 4/8 (1/2")
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Post by: Ian L on 08 May 23, 08:39 pm
Nick, looks like others have used your layout  - I found the attached with your layout
Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 09 May 23, 05:57 am
Thanks Ian , I am missing something here what’s the relevance of disc location to engine rotation? It’s easy enough to change them round but put disc same side as calliper. Anyone else have any views.
 Regards Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 09 May 23, 05:59 am
Sorry same side as master cylinder
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Post by: RhysN on 09 May 23, 07:30 am
Thanks Ian , I am missing something here what’s the relevance of disc location to engine rotation? It’s easy enough to change them round but put disc same side as calliper. Anyone else have any views.
 Regards Nick
If you have the space it doesn't matter what side the brake is on. Some folks build them so narrow the only place for the brake is the right hand side, and always the sprocket to the left.
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Post by: Ian L on 09 May 23, 08:44 am
Hi Nick, looking at your axle it looked that the drive sprocket was over to the right, this needs to be on the left of the engine, when the torque converter is assembled this can leave little space for the brake disc on the same side, but from the pic I attached looks that this has been achieved by others. Although both on the left does push the engine off to the right - I have tried to keep the engine more or less on the center line. All the best. Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 09 May 23, 03:28 pm
Thanks Rhys & Ian, Ian the engine will be centered when i decide what to get, The sprocket/disc are loose on the axle until i can see where everything goes.
Thanks again Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 10 May 23, 10:02 am
Hi Nick, Sounds like you have things covered - I found packaging the engine, getting the adjustment needed for the chain and not getting in the way of the seat back took some fiddling around - I will post come pics when I have it all finished. Best regards. Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 11 May 23, 05:11 am
Pictures would be good.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 16 May 23, 07:00 pm
More progress,throttle linkage done. Supports for floor, steering & seats. Starting to look like something.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 20 May 23, 05:17 pm
My attempts at bodywork The 1st picture is a Heath Robinson plywood steamer.The rest you'll figure out for yourselves.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 23 May 23, 04:26 pm
Rear suspension,get it, never mind. Front of seat base anchored & hinged rear seat base floating on chunky return springs. Any thoughts
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 23 May 23, 06:21 pm
Worth a shot, if it fails, zigzag springs and a bit of foam or an inner tube partially inflated in a case?
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Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Jun 23, 06:40 am
Question, locking collar grub screws do these tighten onto shaft or onto key?
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Post by: RhysN on 01 Jun 23, 07:18 am
Question, locking collar grub screws do these tighten onto shaft or onto key?
I have found the versions like that allow movement and chain coming off. I would suggest split collars, they clamp all round the shaft rather than just relying on the point of the grub screw. https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/shaft-collars/2346964, they are more expensive, but they work.
 Other option, used by many Fraser Nash owners is pieces of tube cut to length between adjacent parts.
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Post by: Ian L on 01 Jun 23, 09:43 am
Hi Nick,
I tighten on to the shaft, the screw can / will mark the shaft but can be dressed back with some emery paper if needed.
As Rhys suggests these need to be snug as they take out the shaft lateral loads, I have one against each of the shaft bearings.
If you need to retain keys then a cable tie pulled tight should do it!
Hope all goes ok.
Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Jun 23, 05:18 am
Thanks guys, engine & brake calliper arrived last night so busy weekend. Ian smile to yourself disc is now on the right.
Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Jun 23, 05:36 am
Another question sorry, neither my brake calliper or master cylinder recommend a brake fluid,what should I use
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 02 Jun 23, 07:18 am
If in doubt DOT5, as it is used in most motorcycles and is less prone to water absorption.
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Post by: Ian L on 02 Jun 23, 08:41 am
Hi Nick,
Will be interested to see your progress, packaging the engine took a while for me, and im still working on the brakes, recycling Kart parts, on reflecting new may have been quicker!
As Jim say go for Dot5 fluid, try to keep if off any paint so pour carefully!
Have a fun weekend
Ian
Title: Re: MG M type
Post by: NewbieNick on 03 Jun 23, 05:19 pm
Hi guys, good day today. Brake calipers in, 2 of them, Hydraulic  main brake, mechanical hand brake.  The other end is work in progress. Engine in - what fun cutting slots in thick steel with a drill & file. Had to cut up seat back a bit but no big deal. Joys of torque converter tomorrow.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 11 Jun 23, 12:09 pm
It's me again. Torque converter fitted & working,hand brake also fitted & working took much longer than it should have. Buyer Beware e.bay seller wellian peach train Master cylinder failed immediately jammed & leaked seller does not want to refund or replace offered me £2.50 N.F.C.

Cheers Nick 
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Post by: Chris Brown on 11 Jun 23, 01:37 pm
If you've raised a claim with ebay then just ask them to step in to resolve it. If you haven't gone through the ebay system, do so, if you get a similarly silly offer then tell the seller that you'll wait for ebay to resolve it.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 25 Jun 23, 06:22 am
Hi guys are you removing/bypassing engine governor’s
Thanks to everyone answering previous questions.
Regards Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 25 Jun 23, 07:37 am
Hi Nick the answer to that is a big yes! You can just disconnect the linkage and leave the mechanism in place - simple or take the whole mechanism out - probably for when doing something else on the engine. Also need to double up on the throttle return springs. Cheers. Ian
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Post by: Applejack on 25 Jun 23, 04:40 pm
Hi Nick, I disconnected the external linkage which was OK for a while but the internal parts decided to come apart and destroyed the engine. I think most builders remove the governor from the inside..There are a few videos on the process. Good luck. Graham A.   PS .  My damaged con rod was given away as a trophy .
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Post by: synthpunk on 25 Jun 23, 09:48 pm
Ooh that’s good to know. I was going to leave mine connected for the time being but externally wired with some solid stainless wire so it can’t actuate. I’ll take the whole kaboodle out next time I have the engine out in that case.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 04 Jul 23, 06:23 am
Hi Guys , been working hard to get a Kart ready for Westzoyland. 1st test drive on waste ground yesterday, steering absolutely dreadful. Very twitchy & similar to Motorcycle tank
slapper. Done some research on this site & others & think i may have Gemini axle round the wrong way, is this possible? King pin angle is facing slightly forward. Any suggestions/answers would be welcome. Please remember i am not an engineer so keep it as simple as possible thanks.
Will be going to Westzoyland with or without Kart.
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Post by: Applejack on 04 Jul 23, 07:34 am
On both my Gemini front axles there is a small pop mark in the middle of the axles indicating the front. Hope this helps. Graham A.
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Post by: Ian L on 04 Jul 23, 07:49 am
Hi Nick,
Im also running the Gemini axle - so hope I have it in the right way round!!
Have you read Adrians build guide - its on the forum and has a lot on steering geometry.
I have attached the pic on castor - the Gemini axle has this built in but will need setting to the angle.
Check everything is tight and good luck.
Im a little behind you in my build but as soon as things are moving I will report back.
If you are still having problems, bring the kart to WZL as I'm sure there will be people who can help.
Best regards
Ian
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 04 Jul 23, 08:20 am
If the axle is the correct way around, the trailing steering arm should be going downhill from the axle to the tie rod end. If it is the other way around, swap it. It is a quick system and can be very immediate, I can't talk as I went to a rack soon after my first few drives with a pitman arm :-)
Hope this helps
Jim
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 04 Jul 23, 08:36 am
Looking at this photo you posted, Turning the axle if you have to might give you clearance issues to the Pitman arm set up. A solution could be mounting the axle above the spring and getting rid of some of the spacers/upstands on the steering arm (that should also give better control) It would mean that your chassis was a little out of level but it would give you the opportunity to test the geometry out and consider options from there.
Jim
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Post by: Ian L on 04 Jul 23, 08:44 am
Nick,
I have my axle over the springs and have a carrier to support the axle, yours may be rotating in the u bolts?
Attached a couple of pics of my set up - I also have ‘horns’ but not as tall as your - due to the axle location.
Looks like yours may be a bit flat and needs some castor.
When I have the steering back together I can send another pic.
For info my pitman arm is 80mm Ctr to Ctr.
Ian
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Post by: StefanN on 04 Jul 23, 02:27 pm
If you imagine a line running through the king pin it should hit the ground in front of where the tyre hits the ground.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 04 Jul 23, 04:13 pm
Thanks everybody for your replies, i even understand some of them. Applejack i cant find any type of mark on axle, it has been painted several times any chance of a photo.
Stefan i now have imaginary line in front of tyre contact point instead of behind. achieved this by rotating axle clockwise.
Will bring kart to Westernzoyland even if not steering so more experienced people can advise.

Thanks again Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 05 Jul 23, 05:22 pm
Hi Guys, Major headache reading about KPI Caster Toe in etc, have fiddled about all day & now have a Kart that runs in a reasonably straight line without trying to kill me.
Gone from abject misery to near ecstasy.  One of the few advantages of 4 sisters is at least one of them can sew, see pictures
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Post by: Graham Hill on 06 Jul 23, 07:50 am
Wow... can she cook as well ?...... Is she married?
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Post by: Ian L on 06 Jul 23, 09:07 am
Looks great Nick. Did you get the material with the pattern or are those stripes all sewn as well. Looks a nice fit as well.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 06 Jul 23, 05:57 pm
Yes to both questions Graham hard luck.Ian the stripes are sewn in. The material is bottle green Leatherette. Kart will be British racing green gloss & mat with traffic green Wheels etc .

Cheers Nick

 
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Post by: NewbieNick on 17 Jul 23, 05:04 pm
Hi Guys,  its  that time again,1  picture of Westernzoyland event. The reason that little blue Austin finished in front of me is because it started in front of me, hey i,m sticking to that. Bloody thing is like a turbocharged Gnat. It took the CK Gurus about 10 seconds to work out i did indeed have the front axle round the wrong way. Now corrected but not yet tested. Lots of nice people &  good advice. Also pictures of ongoing bodywork.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 18 Jul 23, 10:37 am
Looking good Nick. I’m also starting to get some body panels on. Well cut ! I will try and post some pics. Glad you have the steering sorted. Keep going! Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Jul 23, 05:03 am
Thanks Ian, photos would be good.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 21 Jul 23, 03:22 pm
Boat tail boot lid 18 & 6 mm plywood . That was interesting.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 22 Jul 23, 06:15 am
Question, why do I need to fit a battery master cut off switch? I have a dash mounted engine kill installed, Happy to comply with rules & guidelines but battery switch will not kill engine.
Do not understand its necessity.
Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 23 Jul 23, 12:15 pm
Chain Tension. If you are tensioning your chain by sliding your engine backwards, this may interest you also because the engine mounting bolts cannot rotate you can loosen & tighten without a spanner at the top.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: StefanN on 24 Jul 23, 05:21 pm
Question, why do I need to fit a battery master cut off switch? I have a dash mounted engine kill installed, Happy to comply with rules & guidelines but battery switch will not kill engine.
Do not understand its necessity.
Cheers Nick
It reduces risks of dealing with electrical faults or fuel spills/leaks.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 25 Jul 23, 05:40 am
Thanks for clearing that up Stefan. Can the switch be mounted on Bodywork with an appropriate sticker/sign?
Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 30 Jul 23, 06:58 am
Hi Guys, boat tail finished & fitted. Onto exhaust & Battery kill switch.
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 30 Jul 23, 07:33 am
Certainly getting there Nick. It is looking sweet.  ;D
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 30 Jul 23, 11:16 am
Looking good,  nice bit of progress.
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Post by: Ian L on 30 Jul 23, 06:57 pm
Nice going Nick, will be interested to see it ‘in the real’
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Post by: NewbieNick on 05 Aug 23, 06:44 pm
Little jobs done. Boot lid hinges, when you release the toggle catches the pneumatic  struts lift the lid clear & allow it to swing up. Battery isolator fitted & wired in.
CKGB Badges kindly printed by BSA Nick from Stefan's file thanks to both.  Air brushed by yours truly. Exhaust is work in progress & Looking promising pictures later.
Cheers Nick

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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 06 Aug 23, 12:13 am
Coming together nicely.  👍
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Post by: NewbieNick on 11 Aug 23, 01:03 pm
Nearly finished, are these things ever finished?
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 11 Aug 23, 01:27 pm
Looks great Nick, looking forward to seeing you and it in the flesh at an event soon!  ;D
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Post by: Ian L on 11 Aug 23, 08:18 pm
Well done Nick good going like the exhaust.
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Post by: Glynn on 12 Aug 23, 06:18 pm
Very nice Nick,
No, I don’t think they are ever really finished.
How did you make the silencer ?
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Post by: NewbieNick on 13 Aug 23, 06:41 am
Hi Glynn, Secrets of the silencer revealed . The ends are 32 mm plastic waste joiners. Thank to you & others for positive comments,
Thanks to everyone who answered new builders questions.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 21 Aug 23, 05:24 pm
Hi Guys. Cycle kart quick lift jack, made from old scaffold pole 7 leftover bits & bobs. Bottom panels work in progress lots of louvres.

 
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Post by: NewbieNick on 27 Aug 23, 12:24 pm
 Bottom panels fitted & chain tensioner MK 1

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Mark Underdown on 27 Aug 23, 08:33 pm
That’s looking great Nick,

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Post by: RhysN on 30 Aug 23, 08:42 am
Nick, I hope I'm not teaching you how to suck eggs, but are you aware that chains are made to run with some slack? If you don't the consequences on the TAV bearings can be quite awful, and power losses are substantial too.
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Post by: RhysN on 30 Aug 23, 07:06 pm
Hi Rhys, thanks for the warning, chain still has some slack but D I D gold racing chains appear to be made out of elastic. I put this in to save me having to keep moving the Motor
backwards not easy to do & keep straight. Hyundai motors have 2 holes & 2 diagonal slots so very easy to twist when moving. Thanks again for the warning .

Cheers Nick
That's why I bolt my engines down solid to a motor mount and spend time getting them straight, then move the whole motor mount between guide plates/runners. All the generic motors have generous mounting holes.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 27 Sep 23, 05:15 pm
Work in progress. Bottom of boat tail doubling up as an air scoop, air will travel up ducting to cylinder head, hopefully.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 27 Sep 23, 09:26 pm
Nice work Nick, are you going to add in some vents in the upper section to aid the through flow of air - thats my plan!
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Post by: NewbieNick on 28 Sep 23, 06:28 am
Hi Ian hoping to avoid air vents at the top. Time will tell .
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Post by: Graham Hill on 29 Sep 23, 09:07 am
Nick that's a stunning build, I hope to see it in the flesh. Don't park too close please, it makes mine look like a rat-rod.  :D
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Post by: NewbieNick on 29 Sep 23, 01:32 pm
Thanks Graham
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Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Oct 23, 10:34 am
Hi guys. After 1st outing at Westernzoyland  I found the paint had blistered on boat tail as a result of exhaust heat. Solution; cover nearby plywood with heat reflecting foil & fit a heat shield. Also, pictures of my attempt to introduce airflow to cylinder head via air scoop at bottom of boat tail. There are other problems that need addressing, more on that later when I have figured out solutions.

Cheers Nick
 
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Post by: NewbieNick on 09 Oct 23, 05:29 pm
Finished again, pictures of detachable air scoop/boat tail.

cheers Nick
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Post by: uncantim on 10 Oct 23, 04:54 pm
Looking really good Nick, love the details
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Post by: NewbieNick on 14 Oct 23, 10:26 am
Hi Guys, my heat shield worked up to a point but still far too much heat in boat tail with boot lid down. With engine enclosed like this, exhaust out is very close to air in,
photos of exhaust gas deflector attached.  This has made an enormous difference to the temperature of bodywork & surrounding structure. Hope this works until I start on stage one mods.

Happy Building Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 18 Oct 23, 03:11 pm
Hi Guys, thought this may be a good idea. To leave on a table at static display shows, to show anyone who may be interested how it was built.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: uncantim on 18 Oct 23, 05:12 pm
Brilliant idea Nick, like you say, great to refer to at events.
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 19 Oct 23, 07:41 am
That might save your voice Nick, I find I lose mine after two hours trying to explain things. A great idea
JimR
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Post by: NewbieNick on 22 Oct 23, 12:33 pm
Cool idea,I did not want to go away from MG's body design but needs must. Air scoop made from old ducting left over from kitchen re fit,all other components are Manrose ducting available from Screwfix.

Happy Building Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 24 Oct 23, 03:38 pm
Addition to additional cooling.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 01 Nov 23, 06:59 pm
Hi Guys, I  am getting rid of stock exhaust, too much heat. Started work on header pipe, flange & short tube supplied by Stefan (thank you Stefan). The rest is 30 mm outside diameter mild steel tube. Lots of cutting, welding & grinding. There will be a brace welded across. 

Happy Building Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Nov 23, 05:11 pm
Finished exhaust system.
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Post by: RhysN on 04 Nov 23, 08:34 pm
Can I suggest a brace to somewhere, either the engine itself, or chassis or??
There's a lot of weight hanging off those 2 exhaust flange mounting bolts. I have had them tear out of the head.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 05 Nov 23, 05:46 am
Thanks Rhys, will see what I can come up with.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: NewbieNick on 12 Nov 23, 03:21 pm
Here's what i came up with, exhaust support bracket. 
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Post by: NewbieNick on 02 Dec 23, 01:24 pm
Hi guys, I got fed up with endlessly opening the boot lid to adjust the choke. I have made a cable operated choke working from the dashboard.
I have also removed the governor on the advice of Applejack, also upgraded valve springs while engine was on the bench.

Happy building its not that cold.

Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 02 Dec 23, 09:08 pm
Neat job Nick, I have thought of adding something similar when i put in the new engine, as ever you are one step ahead. Ian
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 03 Dec 23, 06:17 pm
Your kart is looking really good.  Did something similar with my choke.

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Post by: NewbieNick on 04 Dec 23, 06:15 am
Thanks Moogie/Ian
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Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Dec 23, 08:00 am
Help please, I had these CKGB Badges 3 D printed & stuck 1 of them down with double sided carpet tape, it has now curled up & pulled itself of my Kart, ideally it needs a slight curve in the opposite direction.

Any advice on flattening & bonding would be appreciated.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 19 Dec 23, 08:23 am
If it is PLA filament, that starts to soften at 600 C, so bending it after a dunk in some hot water around a former might yield a result. Or try a cool hairdryer, it melts at 1700C so be careful
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Post by: Ian L on 19 Dec 23, 09:32 am
Hi Nick I use CT1 for nearly everything! It’s a height temp adhesive and has been fine in my tail construction.
Cheers Ian

https://www.toolstation.com/ct1-adhesive-sealant/p96154?store=DE&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed&mkwid=_dm&pcrid=null&pkw=null&pmt=null&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD-vLcUrXzAlAbZTg8j-fbBJD0hsS&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm4WsBhCiARIsAEJIEzXeQIFOYAcDx7MP0-uh3gtyj4UzqtoRUZQf7ObDD3egP8_lQIlNFOIaAnXvEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Post by: NewbieNick on 21 Dec 23, 10:37 am
Hi Guys, more attempts at engine cooling, 2 vents fitted 1 lining up with pancake air filter the other lining up with exhaust header.
Copper heat shield fitted to header pipe.

Happy Christmas Nick
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Post by: Jimr1999 on 21 Dec 23, 11:02 am
Have you used the fibreglass wrap around the exhaust Nick? That helps two ways, keeping the exhaust gasses hot in the pipe helps the engine for power slightly and it keeps the inside of the engine compartment cooler. Bloody horrible stuff to use, and the stainless ties it comes with are not worth a damn half the time but it has a function other than looking a bit cool :-)
JimR
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Post by: NewbieNick on 21 Dec 23, 02:01 pm
Hi Jim, yes the header pipe is wrapped with glass tape, I gave up with stainless steel ties & used solid earth wire from 10 mm twin earth cable left in a skip.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 18 Feb 24, 08:44 am
Hi Guys, I had a great day at Westonzoyland except problems with fuel starvation. On inspection at home, I found loads of red & black particles in fuel tank, my storage tank is made from red & black plastic. I also found particles in main jet & plastic jet under throttle stop screw. Cleaned everything out & fitted an inline fuel filter & also bought an all metal fuel storage can. Suggest you check your own fuel tanks.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Ian L on 18 Feb 24, 10:10 am
Good detective work Nick - when is the NH merchandise store opening😃
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Post by: NewbieNick on 18 Feb 24, 12:08 pm
Hi Ian, happy to sell you NH merchandise whenever you want. Concerning previous post 1st fuel filter leaked , fitted 2nd filter kart would not start removed filter kart started as normal, fitted 3rd filter kart would not start, removed filter kart ok again. Guessing they may be ok with a pumped fuel system but no good with a small amount of gravity we have. Just ordered a go kart fuel sieve that fits in a funnel.

Cheers Nick

 
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Post by: RhysN on 19 Feb 24, 07:15 am
Nick, don't forget there is a filter in the base of the carb too.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Feb 24, 02:23 pm
Hi Rhys, unaware of filter in base of carb, can’t find reference to it on line,
more info please.

Thanks Nick
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Post by: RhysN on 19 Feb 24, 03:40 pm
Hi Rhys, unaware of filter in base of carb, can’t find reference to it on line,
more info please.

Thanks Nick
It's a small gauze one in the body of the carb where the small bowl on the bottom of the fuel tap is.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 19 Feb 24, 04:23 pm
Got it thanks Rhys.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 12 Mar 24, 03:17 pm
Help,advice please. Despite my best efforts my engine bay is still getting too hot, I am thinking of a fake filler cap to act as a chimney, possibly vented to stay in place or removable when racing, I had also thought of fitting a 12V computer fan on the underside to shift air out. The idea would be to switch fan on when static & off when moving.
Any comments Ideas appreciated.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Ian Fletcher on 12 Mar 24, 03:51 pm
As discussed at Whilton, maybe just remove the top cover, the sillouette of the car wont change from the side.
The computer fans dont shift much air, but you can pick up a Chinese cooling fan for a quad bike cheap off ebay.  From memory 5" diameter, so quite compact.
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Post by: Moogie38 (Noel) on 12 Mar 24, 04:52 pm
Dennis Thomas' latest video shows him adding mesh to the boot lid to stop overheating.  It starts at 15:44,  two panels in the top of yours would help .

https://youtu.be/Ytv9OZNkLOs?si=gMhYWdAsuYbOf-ET
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Post by: NewbieNick on 12 Mar 24, 05:27 pm
Thanks for the replies guys, I tried a fake filler cap it looked crap so I've  cut in some extra vents just under boot lid hope its enough, if not back to mesh or running without lid.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: Glynn on 12 Mar 24, 05:38 pm
I solved that problem by ducting cooling air from outside into the suction fan built into the starter mechanism.  You have to ensure that the engine is not sucking in hot air from the engine compartment.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 12 Mar 24, 05:52 pm
Hi Glynn, already nicked that idea from you,

Cheers Nick

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Post by: RhysN on 13 Mar 24, 05:07 pm
It's not an uncommon problem here in the UK, not one too much in the states as folks there build so that the hot air gets out. Remember that heat rises, so ducts underneath don't help much, and you also have exhaust heat to deal with, and on top of all that hot air expands, so you need quite a bit more escape vents than intake. Equally, get your aair for the carb from outside.
One thing we did have to  do with the Mercedes which used a stock tank was cool the fuel, it was boiling in the tank. That's why I use a remote tank ever since.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 13 Mar 24, 06:50 pm
Hi Rhys, thanks for your reply. Rhys I have ducting taking outside air to engine fan, also have outside air ducted to carburettor. I had not thought about fuel tank is it worth insulating with foil?

Cheers Nick
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Post by: StefanN on 14 Mar 24, 07:20 am
Help,advice please. Despite my best efforts my engine bay is still getting too hot, I am thinking of a fake filler cap to act as a chimney, possibly vented to stay in place or removable when racing, I had also thought of fitting a 12V computer fan on the underside to shift air out. The idea would be to switch fan on when static & off when moving.
Any comments Ideas appreciated.

Cheers Nick
My Bugatti uses a computer fan under a fake fuel filler hole.   It’s assisting the natural rise of the hot air.  I got the idea from Geoff May who used them on his real Austin 7 I think.

The various metal plates around these engines are important to keep the blown air passing through the fins.   They look naff and often get removed.
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Post by: NewbieNick on 14 Mar 24, 05:10 pm
Thanks Stefan, engine cooling plates have been left alone, I’ll see how it goes with new vents cut in & modify further if needed, thinking about it the MG was running for most of the event probably longer than a normal race meet. Stefan at Whilton you told me of a material for friction dampers please remind me what it was.

Cheers Nick
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Post by: RhysN on 15 Mar 24, 01:07 pm
Hi Rhys, thanks for your reply. Rhys I have ducting taking outside air to engine fan, also have outside air ducted to carburettor. I had not thought about fuel tank is it worth insulating with foil?

Cheers Nick
hi Nick, getting the air out is almost more important than in. Personally I would move the tank elsewhere, and as Stefan says in it's place put a plate to keep air over the fins.