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Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« on: 28 May 22, 01:32 pm »
Hi all, I've been having a look on eBay and found a Lifan 6.5hp engine with 2:1 reduction and a wet clutch. It seems as though its a centrifugal clutch but it actuates a 5 plate wet clutch (if that makes any sense). I've had a look at the clutch spares, and it's the same parts for the GX390 so should handle a stage 1 200 engine ok. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363072916091?hash=item5488d50a7b:g:4OAAAOSw8NxdSreW

Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm tempted as it may work out cheaper than using a CVT. Or does a CVT work better because you can keep the engine at peak torque across a greater spread of road speed?

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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #1 on: 28 May 22, 07:45 pm »
Hi Philip,
I am the only GB user of one of these currently, so you can see that most people opt for the CVT!  It has some advantages and obviously some disadvantages which I'll try to capture:
Advantages - Engine/gearbox unit is more compact than engine/CVT - Also the 2:1 reduction means you can use a much smaller sprocket on the rear axle which again helps with a compact install - Trouble free, none of the issues that you can have with CVT belts etc
Disadvantages - As you say, you can't get into the power band as readily and this is most apparent on a standing start and exiting very low speed corners

I try to mitigate the low speed power differential by using a selection of drive sprockets and I swap them according to the circuit and conditions.

I would suggest if you want reliability and a neat compact install go for the reduction box, if you want performance, go for the CVT.

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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #2 on: 29 May 22, 07:10 pm »
Hi Chris,

Thanks for the info, and sharing your 1st hand experience.

Out of interest, do you know roughly what rpm the clutch kicks in at?

Thanks again

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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #3 on: 30 May 22, 10:51 am »
No I don't, I'm afraid

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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #4 on: 30 May 22, 01:40 pm »
Hi Chris,

Thanks for the info, and sharing your 1st hand experience.

Out of interest, do you know roughly what rpm the clutch kicks in at?

Thanks again
I used several of these on fairground rides I made. The clutch is supposed to be biting about 1800 rpm.
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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #5 on: 30 May 22, 01:48 pm »
That is a subject in its own right and I dont think you can get anything to help other than a higher reving engine with more torque at the 4000 rpm area.
You can cut the weight's in half (looking from the casing) and fit a stronger spring in the clutch and that raises the rpm before the clutch bites.
That what I have gone for and I have tuned the engine so that it will rev to around 9000 rpm. Unfortunatley, that give more than 10hp so I have to moderate it. I can fir a limiter I supose so I done get more than 10hp?

You need to knock-up a dyno to check it out. I am working on one now and when its done (?) I'll take some photos and explain its workings.
It will be portable and any cyclekart will fit so I could bring it to a meeting????
 
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Re: Wet clutch and reduction, or CVT?
« Reply #6 on: 31 May 22, 08:59 am »
Thank you all for the extra info, I think I'll probably end up going the CVT route.

I am very intrigued by the dyno build! Really looking forward to hearing more about that when it's up and running.