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building a heavy car!
« on: 02 Jul 22, 03:01 pm »
Oh crikey, I have started weighing parts of my kart because I have been worrying about the fact that I have made my structural stuff in steel, and wondering how extra heavy I have ended up making everything.

My chassis, wheels, engine, TAV and rear axle come to 61.5Kg. Apart from my front axle tube, that is my heaviest stuff out of the way, but I still have my aluminium to go and loads of bits.

And I am not a lightweight driver! My car is going to struggle to get off its marks!

What does your kart weigh and if you have run if, how did it cope with the weight, especially if it was the heavier end of the range?
I don't want to bore you all with the details, here. But if you are interested, have a look at my blog https://peteskart.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #1 on: 02 Jul 22, 04:20 pm »
Voisin was 192 lbs all up. (Folks there reckon the scales were reading heavy) ie could really be lighter.
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« Reply #2 on: 02 Jul 22, 04:46 pm »
so was that a very light car, on average?
(circa 87kg)
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« Reply #3 on: 02 Jul 22, 09:11 pm »
One of the lightest Peter.
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« Reply #4 on: 02 Jul 22, 09:24 pm »
well that is reassuring then, Rhys.

When Stefan put 150Kg as an all up maximum, I wonder if that is with an expectation of the car being able to move ?

I am going for as low as I can, not exceeding 100Kg, hopefully.
I don't want to bore you all with the details, here. But if you are interested, have a look at my blog https://peteskart.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #5 on: 02 Jul 22, 10:40 pm »
It's a subject I was looking at last weekend, and came to a couple of conclusions.

Firstly there's a fixed overhead of weight that it's very hard to avoid, I weighed wheels, motor, tav, rear axle, disc brake, chainwheel, and front axle, and they come in somewhere North of 60kgs. The 'average' US karts seem to be coming in at around 115kgs, (250lbs.)

So the only real scope for weight reduction is to keep the chassis and body somewhere between 30 and 55kgs. So there's not a huge difference if you consider the all up weight of car and driver is around 200kgs.

Secondly there is a probably a greater difference in driver weights, I'm around 80kgs, some of our colonial cousins are 20kgs above that, so there's probably a bigger difference in driver weights than karts.

So I stopped worrying too much about it, kart weight differences can be in the region of 10%,  with tuning there can be 20% or 30% difference in engine output while still being under the 10hp guidelines, so you can always tweak the motor or play with gearing if you feel you're not competitive.

I too am watching the pounds, (or kgs), and did a quick audit on my build to date last week that gave the following rough estimates if it's any use, I used bathroom scales, so it's probably a bit flaky at the moment.

Engine 14.6, wheels 22.8, tav brake disc hubs 8, rear axle, chainwheel, hubs 8.6, front axle 5, steering column and wheel 1.8, giving a fixed overhead I can do little about of 60.8kgs

The chassis rails, crossmembers, floors and front spring perch are 19.6, the nosecone and scuttle 4.6, and my indulgence of a reverse box is 3.6

This puts me currently at 88.5 kilos, with side panels, a tail section, bonnet, pedals,  brake caliper, chain and probably a battery to complete, so my target of 100kg is likely to be exceeded, but probably only by about 10%  I'm not going to stress too much about it, I think it's going to end up somewhere on the middle of the pack weight wise. I'm just hoping that my centre of gravity will be lower than most, -  I will get it built first, then worry about where I can drill holes to lighten it later.


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Re: building a heavy car!
« Reply #6 on: 04 Jul 22, 01:17 pm »
Weighed mine recently - 124kg all in. I am unfortunately 128kg. Engine was on the dyno at 9hp so not sure what the wheel hp is but if I drive it like I stole it I can just about keep up - but I win the slalom!!!! every cloud  ;D

As Peter said, don't stress too much, build a safe Cyclekart and if all else fails drill holes

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« Reply #7 on: 04 Jul 22, 02:29 pm »
Hi Peter, thanks very much for the detail and advice.

Very grateful to you and Andy. Reckon I will stop stressing.
cheers Pete
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« Reply #8 on: 04 Jul 22, 06:49 pm »
And Andy's comment about drilling holes is very accurate, quite by coincidence I spent the day working on the bonnet of the Seven, the rear former, in 18mm MDF, started life at 1318  grammes,

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A bit of work with bandsaw, and a drill, and it's now down to  346 grammes

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so nearly a kilogram taken out of one piece alone, even drilling the holes took out 71 grammes.

As a result of this I'm putting the rest of the kart on a diet, to see what can be taken out safely.

Peter

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« Reply #9 on: 05 Jul 22, 08:32 am »
really beautiful work, Peter

and take the point about holes
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Re: building a heavy car!
« Reply #10 on: 05 Jul 22, 12:16 pm »
well that is reassuring then, Rhys.

When Stefan put 150Kg as an all up maximum, I wonder if that is with an expectation of the car being able to move ?

I am going for as low as I can, not exceeding 100Kg, hopefully.

It’s a maximum Peter, that’s all, decided by the committee, for safety reasons.

A cyclekart of 150kg would, clearly, work, it would just take more effort to accelerate and slow down.   Driver weight probably varies more significantly than ck weight.

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Re: building a heavy car!
« Reply #11 on: 05 Jul 22, 12:22 pm »
The Austin is looking great and you’re doing a good job keeping the weight down.   

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« Reply #12 on: 08 Jul 22, 11:55 pm »


It’s a maximum Peter, that’s all, decided by the committee, for safety reasons.

A cyclekart of 150kg would, clearly, work, it would just take more effort to accelerate and slow down.   Driver weight probably varies more significantly than ck weight.

Thanks very much, Stefan. That is reassuring
I don't want to bore you all with the details, here. But if you are interested, have a look at my blog https://peteskart.blogspot.com/

-Peter