Ian

Yes it is , quite unusual [ for a Midge ] as it is a White Rose car.
To be delivered Sunday afternoon , quite curious as to what is underneath it as it could be:-
a) Herald
b) Ford [ unlikely ]
c) White Rose own custom chassis.

According to serial number current engine is a MG 1500 TC so from a rubber bumpered Midget I assume .

Thanks for the info on trialing , I am just looking for a level of trialing with only very mild peril !

Paul

Hi all

Many thanks StefanN for an enlightening conversation with some very very gentle nudges to get me going in the right direction.

My idea to use the Edwardian limits set out in your Handbook to build a near 100% scale Cycle Car and pass it off as a Cycle Kart is not really in the spirit of the clubs aims for several reasons.

a) you are using the characteristics of the target car and overlaying them on to the Stevenson formula base car , and building some great recognisable cars , I am more a scale it till it fits and work from there.



So this shows a Grafton could be built @ 80% and stay withing the formula , just not quite what I had in mind for a future road going car.

b) the Edwardian limits were to enable some of the monster aero engine cars to be buildable and still look like monsters next to a ' standard' cycle kart.
If you say a standard car is approx 70% full size , one of the aero engine cars I looked at had a 4.5m w/b so even @ 2m w/b cycle kart it would only be about <> 45% full size ! 

Saw this at Mallory Park :-



It was with the Cycle Cars however Edwardian just small and nice and tall [ safe if every it got onto the road ? ]

Maybe it could work for me ? 1911 De Dion Bouton Grand Prix car

Bit of history of it https://www.facebook.com/groups/749378762958140/posts/1069274870968526/

Typical of the period with different people building bodies and the cars losing them over the intervening years no 2 cars look alike.

https://youtu.be/D2-Klo1ACKs

Off on holidays for a few days , so plenty of time to think what to do.

Paul

Paul,

I’m not sure the Australian guy is correct about standing the engine up.  My new kart has a vertical engine and is running just fine.

Cheers Mark

Very interesting is there a build thread for your car it looks to be packed with different stuff , I mean wooden chassis etc etc

Paul

Tim Gunn's Grafton build is exceptionally cool. In the loft of my garage is another chassis he made (and several other bits) for an even smaller Grafton.

Intriguing I think he also built the second one pictured as there are lots of bicycle parts used [ one of his trade marks ] and it has his logo
in a plaque on the dashboard. However whilst it has some name on the dashboard it is obscured by the steering wheel and so it is difficult to search for more pictures of it ?

 

In case you didn't know, Grafton name came from "find bits and Graft other bits on".

yep read that somewhere , or maybe on one of his videos ?

I like /love your thoughts.

Initially I wanted to rotate the engine vertically and set the CVT vertically then drive a chain to a lay-shaft just in front of the seat.
This would better mimic the old single cylinder engines used in the day , and the Honda fuel tank could be partially masked by the
actual fuel tank of the prototype.
However the Australia guy said the engine may not be happy vertical and it could cause difficulties with the fuel filler.
I don't think anyone has tried that.
Obviously engine in the back is much easier [ but still challenging ] .

Paul

Paul-n, I applaud your efforts in thinking Edwardian. As I complete projects for other organisations my Napier is very close. Would have been at Wilton Mill if I hadn't missed the cut off. My Napier build is on the build pages.

Thanks for the input , your build is inspirational however I am really approaching my subject from the opposite end of the spectrum ?

I really want a Cycle Car similar to this :-



Based on the book How to build a Cycle car :-



Now the driver looks sort of like this in the car :-



However an Australian is making a great job of building an aged CycleKart replica however following the Stevenson formula it does look wrong ?



I think the answer is to build it as near to 100% scale as possible and do a body more like this :-



Where the engine is hidden this allows me to get the driver as far forward as the real thing and then build a tail similar to some of you folks where the engine is hidden in a boat tail/fuel tank.

Oh and of course the dream of many CycleKart builders to get it road legal !

Sorry for the ramble , thinking out loud [ always dangerous ]

all the best Paul


 

Hi all

I have used the contact form on the https://www.cyclekartsgb.com/contact web site maybe 2 weeks ago and have not had a reply yet ?
Is this the correct way to contact the committee ?
I have some questions about a possible build where I want to see if going Edwardian I can build the vehicle I want AND still be considered a CycleKart and attend your events.

All the best Paul

A link to the DVLA Heavy Quadricycle manual is on a previous post.

Thanks a good read

Keep all receipts, to prove it is a new build, and keep it under 250kg or you will need seatbelts

Which parts specifically do you need the receipts for ?
engine , brakes , transmission ?
wood ?
bolts/screws ?
paint ?

Does it then need a MOT every year ?

Can you swap registration for a non year plate later ?

Sorry lots of questions !

Paul